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his visa was still valid but it should not have been. i'm jake tapper and this is "the lead." the world lead, dzhokhar tsarnaev's pal arrested yesterday should have been barred from entering the u.s. earlier this year but red tape apparently let him slip through the cracks. wasn't this kind of problem supposed to have been fixed after 9/11? the national lead. if the complaint against them is accurate o"tsarnaev's friends he already said enough to ensure much of their 20s will be behind bars. what could the defense strategy possibly be? and the politics lead. his bipartisan bill to expand background checks failed. despite overwhelming support from the public. but now a republican senator seems to accuse his own party of deef defeating it just to keep victory from the president's grasp. welcome back to "the lead."
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i'm jake tapper. the national lead, in what could be a major break the fbi has recovered dzhokhar tsarnaev's lap top according to two federal law enforcement sources. friends of his from u-mass dartmouth are accused of taking that lap top from his room during the man hunt two weeks ago today. they say they did not know at the time he was wanted for the terrorist attacks. that's their story apparently according to their defense attorneys, just some bros taking another bro's lap top and throwing away his backpack of empty fireworks because that is what bros do. when i was in college i couldn't get my friends to help me move a couch. our deborah feyerick is in north dartmouth, massachusetts where the suspects live. thanks for joining us. investigators have spent a lot of time at the nearby landfill reportedly looking for this laptop but that's not where they found it? >> reporter: no it's not where they found it and according to the two sources who spoke to our cnn producer they did not find
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the lap top in the landfill. they found a black backpack filled with empty fireworks. the powder had been removed. the lap top is still a question as to where they actually discovered it. the last person who had it was a man named dias kadyrbayev one of his dzhokhar tsarnaev's very close friends. the two texted after dzhokhar's picture was splashed across the country and the world. they began texting with the friend saying, hey, the suspect looks a lot like you. but right now investigators are going to be going through the computer to see what other information they can get, jake. >> that's right. the lap top could theoretically be a treasure trove of evidence answering all sorts of questions about whether anybody was involved, whether the older brother was trained abroad. what is the fbi hoping to find on it? >> one of the things they would hope to find, they'll look at the whole history of the computer, at all ip addresses,
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at whatever social media pages that he had and they've already begun to do that clearly with all of the information received. they're going to be making sure, they want to know who he was in communication with, who he stopped being in communication with, you know, up or around the bombing because that would tell them a lot. if somebody he had been talking to seemed to disappear, that would be certainly a sure clue that fbi investigators need to talk to them. they'll also look at the information kept in the cloud, the contacts, associations, time lines, anything they can really piece together. that is when the forensic team has a big job ahead of it. also we have to keep in mind there is a possibility there may have been more than one computer and there are also cell phones and all that yields other information as well. right now we're told they have what they believe is the lap top computer so they'll take a close look at it. >> thank you so much. more on the investigation in the world one of dzhokhar tsarnaev'e
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friends should not have been allowed into the country when he tried to enter earlier this year but once again it seems the right hand did not know what the left hand was doing. more than a decade after the worst terrorist attack in our nation's history it seems the u.s. immigration system that allowed the september 11 hijackers to enter the country legally is still very flawed. some lawmakers question whether tamerlan tsarnaev should have been so easily admittedk into the u.s. after his trip to russia, chechnya, and dagestan last year. after all the russian government last year warned the government and the cia that they were worried tamerlan had become an extremist and would be meeting with underground groups. the fbi investigated and found nothing but should immigration officials have been told more? now there is another concern. three friends of alleged bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev have now been
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arrested for their alleged involvement after the boston marathon attacks. 19-year-old dias kadyrbayev, azamat tazhayakov, and robel phillipos all went to school with tsarnaev at the university of massachusetts dartmouth. two are accused of removing evidence from tsarnaev's dorm room after the attacks including a backpack containing fireworks and a lap top. azamat tazhayakov and dias kadyrbayev both from kazakhstan were staying in the u.s. on student visas. the only issue? azamat tazhayakov is no longer a student. he returned to kazakhstan in december, 2012, according to a u.s. government official. his status as a student at u-mass dartmouth was terminated the next month on january 4th and at this point his student visa should have been invalidated. u-mass dartmouth took the proper steps and provided information into the appropriate system for foreign students that he was no longer registered there officials say but customs and border protection never got the
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message. when azamat tazhayakov returned back to the united states on january 20th he was granted entry. the department of homeland security says that it's reforming the student visa system to ensure customs and border protection is provided with real time updates on all relevant student visa information. as of january, 2012, more than 850,000 foreign students were in the united states and enrolled at over 10,000 u.s. schools. azamat tazhayakov the dhs says was not a threat at the time. it seems like we're looking at more holes in information sharing between u.s. agencies. do we need to take another look on how we handle student visas? joining me is julie meyers woods head of immigration and customs enforcement for i.c.e. in 2006-2008. she is now president of an investigative and consulting firm. thanks for being here. the fact azamat tazhayakov did not have a valid student i.d. -- his standing as a student was no
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longer relevant -- no longer valid -- and yet he was allowed in the country, is this a sign of changes that need to be made to the system or like a fluke? unfortunately it was business as usual. under the current system when someone goes out of -- the department within i.c.e. that manages the student visa process -- there is a whole team of people that work with the schools, universities, and manages the students when they come through the program. when a student is reported out of status as this student was, he apparently failed out of school, they send that information to the i.c.e. agents who actually look and determine is this a lead we should follow up on or do we just need to report in the system he is no longer in status. >> so, yet, somehow -- >> well, in this instance i think it was just routinely, not enough time had passed but all this wasn't done. the i.t. systems don't share this information automatically and i think it is very significant that both of these i.t. systems, the tech system is
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going through a huge modernization which has taken well over a decade to get to this point and the new system has been something that went out for rebid because it was so ineffective. what we really need, the individuals, agents who are working try to do a good job but our government systems don't talk to each other and there are too many pieces of information that our government has and we don't know what the right hand and left hand are doing. >> it is astounding that more than a decade after 9/11 this is still a problem. the information problem is still a problem that there isn't real timesharing of information. why not? is the problem -- we hear members of congress talk tough about this all the time but then when the cameras are away do they just not provide immigration in the government with the proper funding? >> i think resources are a big issue. the government is not technologically advanced enough to have the right kind of systems. if i go online and i'm looking at americans' airline flight
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somewhere then on the drudge report right away they're hitting me with ads, advertising american airline flights.t has in their systems but they don't talk to each other and congress has not funded them sufficient to do that so that is a big issue. a second and really important issue, over all we haven't funded law enforcement officials who focus on the interior enforcement. when you think that 40% of individuals who are in this country illegally are over stays, not people who crossed over the border illegally but came here on a student visa or some other kind of visa legally and overstayed but we're not funding that system sufficiently. i think you saw 850,000 students pass through the student visa program last year. you know how many operations i.c.e. opened up into overstays? not just students, but 3,000 and only made 123 criminal arrests. we have a system where the men and women are trying to do the work and try to do the best they can but there is not enough people. the emphasis too often is on let's build another fence and not look at interior enforcement
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which i think is harder and more difficult in a lot of situations. >> thank you so much. thanks for being here. still ahead they tried to cover for the buddy. now they could be facing hard time. we'll take a look at legal ramifications that dzhokhar tsarnaev's friends could face for trying to destroy evidence in the boston bombing case and later what made the bombers do it? our dr. gupta will take a look at the brain chemistry behind acts of violence. but i wondered what a customer thought? describe the first time you met. you brought the flex in... as soon as i met fiona and i was describing the problem
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welcome back to "the lead." they were a click on campus a tight group of russian speaking buddies at u-mass campus and while their friend dzhokhar tsarnaev was allegedly in the middle of a rampage in boston two weeks ago today they were texting him asking if it was his face they were seeing in the fbi photos splashing across their television screens. tsarnaev's chilling response? lol, you better not text me. he then told his friends to go to his dorm room and take whatever they wanted. all of this took place just
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hours before tsarnaev and his older brother allegedly hijacked a car, killed a cop, and got in a wild shootout with the police. tsarnaev's friends are now accused of going into his dorm room and taking a lap top, backpack full of empty fireworks, and some vaseline that may have been used in making the deadly explosives that killed three people and injured more than 200 victims of the boston bombings. here to talk about the case are two lawyers who are no strangers to high profile cases. university of north carolina law ofesso tamar who defended the shoe bomber richard reid and the lawyer who represented john walker lindh. i want to start with you, john, the criminal complaint leaves a lot of questions unanswered such as whether they disposed of the evidence at dzhokhar's request. they are not charged with it but the criminal complaint alludes to them saying by text go to my apartment and take whatever you want and they go there and take
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a bunch of incriminating evidence. is this a likely to be filled in later section of the krants? >> to be clear, the criminal complaint really is nothing more than kind of to establish probable cause to believe the people committed the offense. it's not an opportunity for the government to lay out its whole case just what's suf#f#ficient levy the charges. so you can rest assured there's a lot in this case that is not displayed in that criminal complaint. >> what is the possible argument? we heard from the defense attorneys yesterday. they seem to be saying, hey, they didn't know what was going on but the criminal complaint at least what they told the police based on the criminal complaint or the fbi seems to undermine that claim. >> right. well, the defense to obstruction of justice is typically going to be that they didn't know for sure, for certain that dzhokhar was the one who was the suspect and that they didn't have a
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specific intent to destroy the backpack or get rid of the lap top for the specific purpose of impeding the government's investigation. >> you#e worked with miriam cond who heads the public defender office in boston and is going to be a part of dzhokhar tsarnaev's legal defense team. what's it like? you also obviously have done defense work yourself. what is it like to work, to represent somebody who is so despised and so hated? i understand that everyone is entitled to an attorney and i'm not impuning the american legal system which is a great and wonderful system, but what is it like to defend somebody who is so hated? >> well, i mean, it can certainly be overwhelming, stressful, very intense, but this is what w do. it's the bread and butter of what we do. and the only difference in terms of the lawyering here is
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contending with the public scrutiny, which all can be very overwhelming particularly for a small office like the federal defender office in boston where they don't have presley as liai or communications experts. i know when i represented richard reid years ago i wrote my own press releases. so they've got a whole lot on their plates right now in addition to, you know, the basic tasks of putting on a defense for him. >> david, what is the prosecution going to do to bring the death penalty to dzhokhar or do you think that will ultimately be taken off the table? >> i don't know it will be taken off the table but a couple things toconsider. first of all on its face it would look like a case that certainly the government would seriously consider and maybe ultimately recommend the death penalty. but there are two factors that are probably going to come into play here. one is the extent to which he is
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cooperating if at all. and, secondly, the extent to which he was really drawn into thislot through the influence of his brother who seems to be the key, main actor here, the bad actor. those two factors i think will play into each other because how much that influence is still weighing on him may depend on how much he is willing to cooperate. and it may also be that he's -- his ability to cooperate is limited because this plot was just amongst the two of them. we don't know that. but i think those are probably the two key factors that are really going to play into a consideration of whether or not the government were to seek the death penalty in the bombing case. >> all right. david kelly and tam ar burke, thank you so much. >> thank you. politics killed the bill according to republican senator pat toomey of pennsylvania who seemed to suggest his legislation did not pass his republican colleagues did not want to give the president a win. we'll talk about that with our panel. later, did biology drive the boston bombers? stay with us. some changes you liked.
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the politics lead. if at first you don't succeed then try, try again apparently. democratic senator joe manchin is reworking his failed push fo gun purchases but his republican counterpart on that bill pat toomey of pennsylvania says the effort might be doomed. here's what he actually had to say the other day. >> in the end we didn't because our politics have become so polarized and there are people on my side who didn't want to be perceived to be helping something that the president wants to accomplish simply because it is the president who
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wants to accomplish it. >> really? did senator toomey's admission mean any gun bill will be done on arrival because republicans don't want to give president obama any sort of victory? here to talk aboutt associated editor for the hill newspaper amy stoddard former national spokesman for the white house, president obama's white house tommy vetor and former adviser to mitt romney's presidential campaign kevin madden. kevin, not surprising, i'm going to start with you. >> really? >> even though 80%, 90% of the country supports this legislation and it was up for a vote, toomey is suggesting although i understand he has back tracked a little since that statement, suggesting it really just came down to republicans didn't want to give obama a victory. >> look. the kind of politics you see in washington, d.c. is absurd. as sure as dogs will bark in a tunnel politicians in washington, d.c. are going to play politics. this did come down to policy in the minds of many opposed to the bill. some folks said that we're proponents, believed it was good policy and those opposed
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believed it was bad policy. at the heart of a lot of opposition on an issue that is so important like the second amendment to many people is the belief we don't need another set, another level of federal gun laws. that was the opposition, at the heart of the opposition and those folks have voted against it. they are going out and explaining that to their constituents and that is the way that these things work. i think if there was a greater degree of political capital invested by those who had a work -- they might have had greater success but this is a really difficult issue that is not going to be solved, not going to have big changes or even small changes in the space of six months. it is going to take a much longer time. >> i agree. i think if you look back at those days manchin and toomey literally got the deal together and they only had a few days before it went to the vote. they had no time to twist arms and sit down. you saw, you know, senator toomey going out everywhere saying i don't see this as gun control. i am a gun rights advocate.
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i have a good rating with the nra. i am a concerned republican. i don't see this as gun control. many of the conversations can take place quietly and slowly over time and i do believe that they can make some head way. with vice president biden saying we can do this this year, with all of the polling showing people who voted to support expanded background checks doing well and those against doing poorly and the fact senator manchin twoonts rework it i think will push the coalition to try to bring something up too soon and i don't think they're going to make it the second time. this is a very long marathon and they need to model the efforts of the nra, separate the nra leadership from the membership. they can be as aggressively organized as the gun rights advocates and until then they won't have a victory. they need a resounding victory. >> as much as i'd like to let you have this layup i'm moving on to another topic because we are running out of time.
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president obama announced his intention to nominate for secretary of commerce an ex-financial chair for his campaign, penny pritzker. if confirmed she will be the richest cabinet secretary in history. the president skipped over her before as you might recall in 2008. this position is a position that is not one you necessarily want to sit in. here is what the "new york times" had to say in 2008. her family is renowned for finding ways to avoid paying taxes on their wealth. the pritzkers were pioneers in using tax loop holes to shelter holdings from the internal revenue service and many of their dealings have never been made public. that sounds a lot like the kind of thing you were accusing his boss of doing lokay. let's start on the narrow issue of the trusts. these were trusts set up when she was a little girl by her grandfather. she hasn't gotten a dime from them. that isn't really relevant. what we need in the commerce secretary is someone who can create jobs and she has created and managed six businesses, is one of the most successful business people in chicago. she has been in the industry for
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25 years. i think those are the qualifications we should focus on not something her grandfather did when she was a little girl. >> just yesterday the president named another campaign bundler john wheeler to head the federal commune kags commission. he spent two decades as a lobbyist representing industry groups including every single cable company and every single cell phone provider and now of course is going to be regulating them. >> this guy was a lobbyist a decade ago. right? it's been a long time. i mean, probably like using aol dialup back then. he is someone supported by industry groups, supported bu consumer groups, well known in the industry as one of the most knowledgeable people on the subject out there. i think what this goes back to, jake, is you remember the executive order the day we got into office putting tough new anti-lobbying rules into place. this is a story actually about how hard it is to change things in washington. the president took these important steps and you got one day of stories about how this was sort of a good idea and good move and then if you do anything where you mention lobbyists
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afterwards he is getting dinged for it. i think wheeler being a lobbyist a decade ago is not going to stop him. >> are these two nominations problematic for the president. >> i think pritzker is and i think president obama is feeling liberated enough to give good jobs to fundraisers for him but pritzker is really -- especially if, i'm sorry, president obama is looking at a larger budget deal that contains tax reform he is going to really hear it about tax loop hole and loop your fancy fat cat friends. nk you s. now back to some more national news. some families are worried that with a simple shift in the wind they'll lose everything. a fast moving wild fire is closing in on neighborhoods in southern california prompting mandatory evacuations. more than 500 firefighters are on the ground trying to control the blaze that started just outside los angeles but heavy winds and dry conditions are making it tough for firefighters to get the upper hand. we just learned a stretch of the pacific coast highway near the
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fire had to be shut down in both directions. our own reporter in newberg park, california. >> this is one of the leading edges of the fire, one of the main hot spots they've been trying to drop water via helicopter on this area. but as you can see, it is so smokey it's almost impossible to get a good look at where the fire is burning. i can tell you right now it's burning all up there along that ridge, threatening all of these houses in this neighborhood. but the smoke is just absolutely horrific. and the heat is tremendous right now. the firefighters really up against it. you can see just where it's burning. it's encircling this entire neighborhood and these people are right now trying to evacuate. reporting from newbury park, back to you. still aheadre all searching for answers after the boston bombings. our own dr. sanjay gupta will take a look at how the criminal
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welcome back. i'm jake tapper. more on our national lead. they are accused of unspeakable violence ending innocent lives in a senseless act of terror. what could have made two young men with family, friends, and limitless opportunities in this great country turn so drastically against this country? dr. sanjay gupta takes us into the minds of two alleged killers to try to find out. >> in the wake of tragedy come the inevitable questions. what makes a killer? is there a switch that turns on a rampage? and why? why would someone do this? >> just say the person's evil. i think that's 13th century thinking. i think we've moved beyond that. >> reporter: adrian reign is a criminologist and the author of a new book "the anatomy of violence." he spent more than three decades
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studying cold blooded klers and says there are biological explanations for violence. and reign is convinced that brain dysfunction may in part explain the terror unleashed in boston. >> well, were they just completely normal people who decided one day you know what? . i don't think so. i think it's more complicated than that. >> reporter: reign says he first saw echoes of his own work with violent criminals when this image of 19-year-old suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev was released. >> while others were running away he was just walking away as cool as a cucumber. that really struck me. i've seen this before in psychopaths and murderers in person. >> reporter: then there were these photos of the brother who was killed, tamerlan tsarnaev, boxing. >> we've found a neurological abnormality in the brain that predisposes to violence and
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psychopathy and it's also found in boxers. during fetal development as the regions begin to expand and develop they compressor fuse the two leaflets together. for some people the gap never closes. that gives rise to a lack of fear and a psychopathic type personality who could go and ll a number of people and not have any sense of shame or remorse or guilt about doing that. another seat of fear in the brain is this almond shaped stcture called the amygdala. this is the brain of a psychopath and according to his studies the blue areas shrink in psychopaths and it makes the area dramatically smaller. this part of the brain is very much involved in fear conditioning. you experience when you are thinking of doing something
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that's not rightnd then you get that awful feeling, no, i shouldn't do that. then that individual is more likely to perpetrate a horrific act like boston bombings. >> myriend dr. gupta joins me now. yesterday we reported the arrest of three schoolmates of dzhokhar tsarnaev all three 19 years old, two now stand accused of obstruction of justice the other of lying to the feds. as with the two alleged bombers we can't get into the minds of these guys but is there anything to be gleaned from their ages, 19 years old? >> i think there could be. we talked to adrian raines about that as well. a couple things to point out quickly there is an area of the brain that is sort of the frontal lobe area that is responsible for judgment. that's relevant, jake, because it really doesn't fully develop until someone is in early to mid 20s. here we' talking about people in their late teens.
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the judgment area may not be fully developed. also the area responsible for emotion and sometimes rational emotion, that is fully developed. you have ta combination now. fueled emotion with less inhibition and, wonder if that could potentially play a role. >> obviously, none of us are excusing what they did. we're just trying to understand this unmitigated evil. you can imagine that the next step to this sort of science is for defense attorneys to grab on to it. the twinkie defense from decades back, people blaming their brain, genetics for a crime they've committed. is there any potential problem with that? do you see that possibly happening? >> this is an emernling science with regard to what we're talking about specifically. let me tell you what people talk about within the field. take something like fetal alcohol syndrome, for example. the child, who is in utero the mother is drinking and the child
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is born with fetal alcol syndrome. significant damage and effect on the brain. we know based on studies that 1 likely to end up in prison and more likely to commit crimes. you tnk about that. again, there is not a right answer here but they were exposed to the alcohol in utero. we know what life can often play out like for them. someone that has a tumor in the frontal lobe area, they were functioning perfectly well. they developed this tumor. all of a sudden their inhibition and judgment was severely affected. what to do in cases like that? it's an emernling science, jake. those are a couple more concrete examples of what the neuro scientists are talking about. >> fascinating. thank you so much. adrian raines will join sanjay this weekend to talk about the anatomy of violence. tune in saturday at 4:30 p.m. eastern, sunday at 7:30 in the morning right here on cnn. conservatives swooned when dr. ben carson challenged
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welcome back to "the lead." there are 17 victims still hospitalized from the boston terrorist attacks. while in boston i visited hospitals and spoke to doctors who treated those patients. they described the shock of dozens of patients arriving all at once in critical need of intense care. my next guest knows the pressure of treating patients in need.
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dr. ben carson is director of pediatric neuro surgery at john hopkins hospital and author of america the beautiful, rediscovering what made this nation great. he joins me from south carolina. dr. carson, i'll get to some of the politics going on today in a second but as a physician i want to ask, i'm sure you've operati. what was your reaction as a physician when you heard about the types of injuries that were coming in from the boston terrorist attacks two weeks ago? >> well, i was very impressed by the readiness of the team to take care of the problems and the way that they coordinated things. they obviously were well prepared and, you know, one of the things i frequently say is the medical system here in the united states is the best in the world. and we frequently get a black eye. people talk about our infant mortality rates and things being low. but the fact of the matter is we take all comers and a lot of
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other people delete out several people and consequently move up further on that scale. we have superb health care in this country and the boston readiness is a good example of that. >> let me do a little hypothetical for you. if dzhokhar was your patient, would you have had any difficulty treating him do you think? >> can't hear. >> if dzhokhar tsarnaev -- can he not hear me? dr. carson, can you hear me? we're going to take a quick break and get the technical issues figured out. we'll be right back with more. help the gulf recover, and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i've been with bp for 24 years. i was part of the team that helped deliver on our commitments to the gulf - and i can tell you, safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge safety equipment and technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over
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welcome back to "the lead" back with dr. ben carson director of pediatric neuro surgery at john hopkins hospital. i apologize for the technical issues. here is the question i was asking you. it's a hypothetical. would you have had any difficulty treating dzhokhar tsarnaev if he had been brought to you? >> well, first of all, in the beginning introduction i was introduced as a republican. i'm an independent. no, i would have had no difficulty whatsoever treating we are taught to, as physicians, take care of the problem first. and, you know, you don't determine what somebody's affiliation is before you decide whether you're going to take care of them. >> the obama administration is fighting a court ruling, one that lifted age restrictions on plan b, the emergency
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contraceptive pill. the fda has approved the pill over the counter without a prescription. >> having that technical problem again. >> dr. carson cannot hear me. we'll have to come back to dr. carson at a later date if he cannot hear me. i'll switch gears now to our next segment. this is what we call the buried stories we a lot of pla. st weeks before the walls came tumbling down on factory workers in bangladesh, one american company had already decided to cut ties with the country over unsafe work conditions according to the "new york times." disney sent a memo to licensees and vendors back in march stating it would no longer do business in bangladesh. that decision was reportedly in response to two factory fires that killed more than a hundred workers last november. now, while those fires were nothing short of horrific, last month's factory collapse killed four times as many workers and also served as a reminder that much of what we buy in this country is the result of labor
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abuses and low wages overseas. ian robinson is a researchversi michigan. he's done extensive research on ethical clothing. he joins us live from ann arbor. could disney's move spark a trend of more american retailers ditching countries with such low safety standards? >> well, it certainly is possible. i'm sure it's tempting for the companies because to get out of there might seem like the easiest way to take public scrutiny off of them and then it might -- they might think it will rest solely on the bangladeshi government and employers. i think there will be a lot of pressure on the companies not to do that because, really, a lot of the problems of sweat shop reduction come from the policies of the companies and if they pull out of bangladesh and keep the same policies, they're just going to create sweat shops everywhere they go. so the antisweat shop, nongovernmental organizations and activists who have been
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following this for many years know that and they're not going to let the companies get away with this if they can help it. >> i guess the big question here is we in this country like to sit in judgment about what's going on, but aren't we the problem in a lot of ways? are americans willing to pay what it would require for workers to not have to live and work in those conditions? >> colleagues of mine heret at the university of michigan and i have been working on this for about ten years and have d type. one a experiment in the sears store in lincoln park just outside of detroit, and then a second natural experiment comparing american apparel here in ann arbor, which widely understood to be a sweat free production situation even though some are critical of some of the aspects. most people who actually shop there believe it to be sweat free. so we had a kind experimental situation in an apartment store
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and a natural experiment where people could go to a place they believed was producing sweat free oro to any of the other stores that sell similar stuff to american apparel and what we found in those two situations even though the customer base was very, very different, the one in lincoln park was essentially working class people, lower middle class people, the one in ann arbor for american apparel is essentially college students, pretty well off for the most part, we found that really you can summarize it with 25 and 50. that is that when presented with a real option, at least what the customers understood to be a real option, of a sweat free option and for which they had to pay an additional premium, we varied the premium in some cases in american apparel it's -- it varies, too, depending what the customers think is the price difference between the goods there and the goods in the alternativees, but at any rate, 25% of the people that we interviewed in the two situations not only bought the
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goods that they understood to be ethically produced but were willing to pay a higher price for them and told us they bought them at least in part because they believed they were ethically produced. so that's 25%. the50% comes in because we realized, wow. maybesp experiment in the store maybe some of the customers didn't see the labels we put on. maybe they thought that, you know, they didn't really realize they were given an ethical choice. we have to interview them and h this goodé working conditions label, that we defined what ixt meant and also did they notice there was a price difference and they were asked to pay more for the one labeled good working conditions. when we asked those questions we discovered that for various reasons 60%, a little over 60%, of the customers in that department store hadn't met one of these critical preconditions of being an ethical consumer. when we looked just at the 40% left and said, what share of them bought the -- paid the premium and bought the good
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s it turned out to be around 50%. when we asked the same question, did you know that american apparel claims to be sweat free? did you believe that in fact that's the case? of those folks, as they exited the store, 50% of those who actually knew that reputation and trusted it were buying sweat free. >> all right. ian robinson, thanks so much. an eye opening perspective. in other national of the new od trade center has been hoisted u. construction crews raised the flag draped final stions of the spire to the top of the tower. once in place, it will bring the building to a very symbolic height of 1776 . get it? 1776? the tallest tower in the western hemisphere and the third tallest in the world. tupac shakur hey have presented himself as a hard core thug but had nothing on his own god mother. joann chessamore is now the very
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first woman ever to land on the fbi's most wanted terrorist list. now 65 years old she was convicted of gunning down a new jersey state trooper on this very day in escaped from prison in 1979 and the fbi says she is currently in cuba. chim of the lack liberation army which the violent militant groups of the 1970s. up next, what's in a name? for the washington redskins some might say a racial slur. is it time to update the franchise? that's ahead. look is only the beginning. t ♪ ♪ this is a stunning work of technology. ♪ this is the 2013 lexus es and the first-ever es hybrid. the pursuit of perfection.
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welcome back to "the lead." the money lead. the bible had its own tv show. it only made sense a magazine seen as the bible of the fashion indust i about to get one too. "vogue" is about to launch an online tv channel that will feature scripted and unscripted web shows as part of a huge new digital campaign being launched by condi nast. other brands like "vanity fair" and "wired" will get their own roll out over the next few ed to weeks. he doesn't carry a cell phone and doesn't even have a compute birr today 82-year-old warren buffet sent out his first
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tweet. warren is in the house. the fourth richest man in the in just a few as more than hours all of them hoping it will be their most valuable follow yet. the sports lead. you might get your teeth knocked out if you went up to a native american and said redskin. many consider the word a flat out racial slur. it's also the name of one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world. and now an independent d.c. city council member is leading the latest charge to change the name of the nfl team to the red tails. a nod to the tuskegee airmen the group of african-american pilots who served the u.s. in world war ii. transition would be seamless and even fits right into the fight song, hail to the red tails. it's not clear how much power the d.c. council has in this since the redskins currently play in landover, maryland, and have their team offices inthat'. thanks so much for watching "the lead." i will leave you in the able
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hands of wolf blitzer. we'll see you tomorrow, 4:00 1:. mr. blitzer, take it away. jake, thanks very much. happening now, the fbi has a lap top belonging to one of the sus. investigators are paying fresh attention to the widow of the other. have the latest details. federal officials launch an investigatn into possible human trafficking after two women complained they were treated like slaves at a saudid. as the immigration debate rages onere at home, president obama is in mexico right now about to take questions from reporters.e up this hour. i'molf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." right now a major development in the boston bombing investigation. federal officials say the fbi has a lap top computer